I guess that means push wins in my setup. It's really annoying. Share Reply Quote. I'm a happy owner of the push 2, best controller I've seen so far, BTW note I'm not comparing Ableton as a DAW to the Maschine software, but rather just the capabilities of the controllers. Producing and sketchs on Maschine. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. For any kind of more advanced production, though, the Push is better - it's got more features and integration, automapping, support for the Ableton grid, and all sorts of fun toys. At that time I did not really know much about Ableton or DAWs in general, but now I see that most producers seem to be using Maschine more as a tool along with Ableton or some other DAW. Am i better off just getting the Push? Messages: 2,404. Make a song from scratch with hands on control of melody, beats and structure. I got out a ruler. Thing is, can you really separate the hardware and software? But not having much experience, it seems to me like the Maschine software is almost a full featured DAW itself. That said if I had to choose between my Maschine MK1 with 1.8 and Ableton Push with Live 9 Suite, I'd currently choose the latter. Ableton is a really great DAW, and when paired with Push & Session View, its an absolutely unlimited creative performance tool capable of everything Maschine or the MPC can do, and then much more. ALso no reason to use battery inside Maschine since Maschine can do the same stuff. If you want an out of the box experience … The only problem I see with Maschine MK3 is the " only one " octave for playing melodies and chord. Thank you for making this. – (BIG ONE) Ableton Live is a complete DAW, you can do pretty much evevrything in it and with Push 2 it’s like it has an integrated MPC which makes it easier to transition from creating ideas to arragnging, mixing, mastering As afar as integration, Battery inside Maschine is not as straightforward as you will expect. Push allows me to keep building on an idea better than maschine in ableton. I’m running ableton right now but don’t like any of their drum sets. From what I’ve gathered so far both maschine and push are really good for what I’m looking to do. So, for now I … Push is around two inches wider, so is the larger of the two overall. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Havent tried out Push before since I dont know anyone that has it. I've got both the controller and Ableton, and while Maschine is absolutely fantastic when it's working in it's own workflow, trying to properly integrate it into Ableton is a nightmare. What do you think is better? Great and thorough comparison. Ableton live vs maschine. Don't listen to them. And Push provides the scales, chord and you can use Live arpeggiator. Or I could buy an analog synth, or another used VA like a Nord 2 (not 2X). Is the push integrated into the drum rack, or can I use Battery instead? Also another concern I have are the pads on the Push. I also see a lot of videos where the person will have a Maschine along with an Ableton Push … The main reason i got it was as a controller for my NI plugins, and because of the crazy deal I found, but after a few months, I keep going back to Push. I'm still debating if it was worth the effort. It's mental! If you want to work only in Maschine, then that's fine; if you want control over you whole workflow, get Push. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8A0EGnhvfI&t=0m27s). It is the heart of my studio, which includes … Push if you're happy with your drum library. I'm pushing it real good."] It's a tough choice for many producers. If you want another library to dig through, get machine for its kits / sounds. After watching it, push 2 comes out on top, but adding Jam addresses a few of the shortcomings in this video (less pads). For any kind of more advanced production, though, the Push is better - it's got more features and integration, automapping, support for the Ableton grid, and all sorts of fun toys. 4th January 2019 #2. kcearl. Actually Maschine works well as a Ableton controller. It really is that simple. Once you wrap your head around it, and get into it, it's great. I have a push and a maschine and regularly sequence maschine from ableton. Also, you can use software in the PXT line to push your Push even further. As for choosing only one, I won't venture to opine on that until 2.0 is release. Plus it has a high-resolution display which is … I would drop the Kontrol S, but if you use NI instruments a lot browsing from it would be the more useful feature. Made up your mind? The pads on my Maschine are 3x3cm, while the pads on Push are 2.5cm wide x 1.8cm long. Push 2 vs MPC Live. They seem really small compared to the pads on Maschine. Maschine Studio & Ableton Push That is my plan. They are really too different animals, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Do you do straight beats? What I didn't like was arranging within the Maschine … Design-wise, since Maschine got its sleek new look, there’s very little to separate the two controllers beyond minor matters of personal taste. However i heard its kinda redundant working out of two different software. I like the mpc a lot but don’t like the (lack of ) buttons and overall feel of it but I have not tried the push 2 yet .but I did use Maschine MK2 for years . I've owned both and love my Push; the one thing I miss about Maschine is being able to edit sample start and finish time easily from the controller - so, with Maschine, without looking at the computer you could record a sample then pick out the bit you wanted. ( Maybe it will be correct in future Live Versions but I dont think so ). More on Ableton.com: Blog; Ableton in Education; Certified Training ; About Ableton; Jobs; More from Ableton: Loop. I just got a Machine mk2 a little while ago, mainly because of the huge NI offer in December. It would help the channel if you bought either (or any other gear....) using these links (thank you! The new keyboard gives you a good amount of control over Ableton as well. Post by Grant Floering » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:41 pm I'm considering buying one of these two products to enhance my workflow and I can't decide! Messages: 972. having both! Other stuff if needed in Ableton Live. And once you get your "chord claw" going, it's pretty easy to chord it. The Maschine is kindof a one-stop-shop for that stuff, you never have to touch your computer. Yes, Push is optimised for Ableton Live and Maschine is multi-DAW friendly. (Especially if you have any guitar background.). Both Push 2 and Maschine Mk3 have similar desktop footprints. Push 2 is rock solid and has been for years. I plan to buy Arturia V Collection 5 ( so NKS format ). Maschine is a very powerful sequencer but if you are an Ableton Live user it might be a somewhat complex to set them both up to work in best way. This is done automatically if there are no MASCHINE instances present. Now with Push 2 catering to my workflow with the support of audio samples AND full integration with Ableton Live...I wanna sell my Maschine Studio and get back on the Push wagon. Maschine. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > modeselektor68 Forum Member. The Maschine is kindof a one-stop-shop for that stuff, you never have to touch your computer. I'm a very dedicated Ableton user but I really make use of Maschine as an MPC-style sampler as a VST. If you have to decide on a single device, I'd go for the Push, especially if your primary platform is Live. Here is a video comparing Maschine vs Push. Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by modeselektor68, Mar 26, 2011. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8A0EGnhvfI&t=0m27s. (And I found a deal at Guitar Center.) If you like my videos and want to support please consider checking out the links below. The Ableton Push 2 vs Native Instrument’s Maschine MK3. Been debating on what to get for months now .. I sometimes wish I still had Push, but really can't justify that unless I sell my whole Maschine setup. I don't own either controller but I am definitely loving the Push 2. I created an ableton session that basically lets me use push as the controller for the different groups in from maschine. Jam is cheaper than Push 2, runs Maschine AND/OR ableton (and does a damn fine job with Ableton, I might add), and accompanies my other Maschine Studio controller quite well. Push’s l… For this one we also added a blog post so we can give you a step by step on how to set it up. Push seems cool, but your Ableton workflow doesn't necessarily suit it. And next step, Record everything of Maschine ( seperate tracks ) in Ableton Live to mix processing. I know that ableton 11 has a drum synth coming but I’m interested in sampling and making my our drum sounds. Hip-hop flow and sampling? Feel free to ask any direct questions. 3 Reviews written 5 years. Yes, Push is optimised for Ableton Live and Maschine is multi-DAW friendly. It's just another heavy learning curve to adapt to a native instruments menu system within ableton. I recently purchased a Maschine Mk3. I work through Ableton Live and i was interested in getting a Maschine. Maschine provides the special functionality of the Kontrol S keyboard (browsing, scales, chords, arp). It's REALLY bad that Push dont offer such a thing. Preset management for plug ins is better on maschine nevertheless. Buy the komplete kontrol mk2. For me, I'm looking for the controller that won't make me dive down a troubleshooting and midi / audio routing rat hole when I'm actually just trying to build off inspiration. I haven't put the maschine hardware on my desk for over a year now since I don't have room for it. It's not like you can really buy the hardware on its own. Another student question video is up. NI Maschine or Ableton Push? The pads on Push aren't as "mushy" or "buttery" as the ones on the Maschine, but they're still pretty good, and I can get a full range of midi values without too much effort. It's REALLY bad that Push dont offer such a thing. A quick vid showing difference between push2 sampling vs Maschine Studio sampling..... which 1 is faster Ableton and Native Instruments have practically monopolized the market with their well designed, feature-packed all-in-one production suites that are quite frankly, hard to top. ["I'm pushing. The apples and oranges argument drives me bananas. I found that Ableton was very intuitive and straight forward to learn. Having said that, I do like the drum synth sounds from the latest maschine update. Ableton push only works like this with Ableton instruments. I was about to get the Push 2, and then the LaunchPad Pro mk3 was released. Both feature quality, full-colour screens, albeit of slightly different shapes. In his latest video, loopop compares Native Instruments Maschine mk3 to the Ableton Push 2. If you have/are getting komplete, this will allow you to take control and modulate all your sounds. I cannot deal with their tiny size!" He notes: It’s been said you can’t compare the MASCHINE MK3 to the Ableton Push 2, but I disagree. They are a little bit harder, but you can adjust the sensitivity. Decisions, … So that functions overlap between the 3 of them. Making my loops in mashcine, then dragging them into Ableton (which is actually a really painful process if you want the midi). modeselektor68, Mar 26, 2011 #1. donfuan NI Product Owner. Drum patterns are dead simple to make. I love the drum sequencer. Saw this on FB. Might still get a Maschine but right now I'm pretty sour about all of the Maschine trolling on this forum. The main problem I see with Push 2 is the browser in comparaison of the NKS browser system. I bought a Push. And next step, Record everything of Maschine ( seperate tracks ) in Ableton Live to mix processing. Here's my reasoning: Push is purely a controller for Ableton. The hardware itself, I think the push pressure sensitivity isn't quite as accurate as the maschine. Too much "Shift+control" and no real cool visual of what you do. donfuan, Mar 26, … Depends on your workflow, and what you're really looking for. Think I might go with the push but not sure. If other MASCHINE instances are present (plug-in or standalone), press simultaneously SHIFT + PLUG-IN on your controller to access the Instance page. I work on Ableton Suite with only VST ( and audio ). These two big names have been head to head for some time now, with loyal customers swearing by both. ( It's a real big problem for me ). There's really not a comparison between the two, they're for different purposes. It required hours of head scratching and tutorial watching to have this session set up the way I wanted the maschine groups set up in ableton. Push is the music making instrument that perfectly integrates with Ableton Live. I've never had an "OMG, these pads! 73*, Oct 2, 2013 #2. mezzurias NI Product Owner. If you work in Ableton exclusively then I'd say it's the way to go. So I now have a multi track maschine session that I can't save as a rack in ableton. I'd argue the Jam vs Push 2 is a more relevant comparison, as there's a great mapping for the Jam. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. When Maschine Mk3 is defined as Control Surface Ableton Live, all you need to do is switch the controller to Ableton. Maschine is a sampler and sequencer. The main problem I see with Push 2 is the browser in comparaison of the NKS browser system. Menu. NI Maschine or Ableton Push? In Ableton You would use drum racks, sampler and simpler instead of battery. With Maschine Studio, I love how I can see all my custom audio samples on the box, load 3rd party plugin vsts//fx, and manipulate my audio samples easily. I need to see more about this one. Push 2 vs Launchpad Pro mk3 // cost vs functionality. YouTube. Octaves are easy, set pad mode to keyboard then use the buttons underneath the right display to change base note and octave. Plus Push was made specifically for Ableton Live. When buying a new controller, most musicians and producers are faced with a choice between two of the main players, Native Instruments' Maschine MK3 and Ableton Push … Maschine is less than useless so far as controlling Ableton goes. So they're a little bit smaller, but it's not a big deal. I have both. So Push 2 is looking closer to being a possibility. Gear Guru . Agree with everything else here. Personally, I'm more into full grid controllers like the Push, the APC40, and the Base II, but I have buddies who make strictly HudMo and Keys n' Krates style beats, and I couldn't pay them to switch to a grid controller over their Maschine. MPC Touch vs Maschine MK2 vs Ableton Push 2 When buying a new controller, most musicians and producers are faced with a choice between two of the main players, Native Instruments' Maschine MK3 and Ableton Push 2. moment with Push. It can really uppgrade my worflow, it will force me to separate the producing and mixing stage. I have both, mostly use the Push for it's play button tbh. The 8x8 pad layout and scale setups make for some interesting playing possibilities (on other instruments), but ultimately it's a controller. … My Recordings/Credits My Studio. Maschine is a controller for Maschine software, and not outside of that. Live Push Link Shop Packs Help More Try Live for free Log in or register. If you like my videos and want to support please consider checking out the links below. I have Maschine MK1 & several expansions. Watch Talks, … I spent some time creating custom racks for maschine drums in ableton and still found it somewhat of a bottleneck in the workflow. Build quality is similarly high on both controllers, too. It's a tough choice for many producers. Push 2 / Maschine MK3 / Komplete Kontrol MK2. Maschine and Live can be integrated relatively well with some tweaking, however I still haven't found a workflow for the combination that feels effortless. Is it hard to program drum patterns on Push? The rest is really cool in my opinion. I just can't keep both massive controllers, with all of those libraries. Instrument mode on Push is also incredibly useful, just as something to use to noodle around with and find new chord progressions or melodies with. I have found that push is better for just hammering out beats and notes and getting into an overall flow in ableton. But when you … I use Ableton and the Push 2 exclusively these days. It seems REALLY different with the MK3. So Much Gear, So Little Time. So far I really like jamming it but I find that to produce full songs, I end up just running it out of Ableton anyway. I could also buy a Komplete Kontrol MK2. It’s true that in terms of software, Ableton Live is the more comprehensive DAW, and that the MASCHINE software is more of groovebox oriented approach. I don't like the workflow of the Maschine MK1. The rotary controllers will try to pick up whatever software you're using, and do a decent job with non-Ableton VSTs, including NI VSTs. I recently used Ableton Live to make a DJ smash up (because it would have taken too long to do the same thing in Sony Acid or Maschine) and I'm more sold on Ableton Live for remixes now (I still prefer Pro Tools for final mixing). It's a bit more intuitive for me I guess. Messages: 25. I have maschine/jam and Push 2 Each night I guard my Push 2 and Ableton …